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FEATURE ARTICLE

DECEMBER 1, 2000 ISSUE

DREAM A LITTLE

THE MAKING OF A NATIONAL HIT

INTERVIEW WITH RON DUNBAR BY BOB DENNIS

Holland-Dozier-Holland gained fame by writing and producing approximately 7.5% of the national hit records in the mid sixties for the famous Motown Records Label.   Artists such as Diana Ross (and the Supremes), The Four Tops, Martha Reeves (and the Vandellas) owe their "star" status to their efforts.   In the seventies, after Motown, the team continued to get hit records with their own Invictus and Hot Wax labels. 
Somewhere in the mid-seventies, amid distribution problems with the Invictus label, there became a "crack" in the famous songwriting/production team with Lamont Dozier entering into label affiliations without the Hollands.  Although the original team still remains close and re-forms for specific projects, Holland Group Productions (without Dozier) became the surviving record company.  While continuing to make good money in the business, the glory days of hit after hit seemed a thing of the past.
In 1998 Holland Group began a re-organization to re-launch the Holland-Dozier-Holland record labels as an active hit machine type of company.  In their first year (1999) the company released three nationally charted records but without attaining a significant national hit.  This year, however, Holland Group has its first valid national hit in over two decades with the release of "Dream A Little" in the smooth-jazz/adult contemporary music category.  Project Manager (Assistant to Edward J. Holland, Jr.) describes the process of getting this record to its hit status:
Bob Dennis:  You were behind Holland Group signing an established Jazz artist like Ronnie Laws to the label.   Why Ronnie Laws?
Ron Dunbar:  Besides being available, Ronnie Laws was an established artist who has proven himself to be among the elite at his particular craft.  He was one of the first Jazz artists that was able to get a million dollar record deal.  He had tremendous success with some previous records that had been released and, because of this, has continually performed live and establish himself as master saxophonist with a world-wide following.  He plays the tenor, baritone and soprano sax and does it in such a way as to be unique.
Bob:  How is the Dream A Little record doing?
Ron:  It's been number 1 on The Wave (LA) which is one of the biggest smooth-jazz/adult contemporary radio stations in the nation and he's been three or four weeks number 1 in New Orleans.  He also has a tremendous amount of air play around the entire country in both the smooth jazz and adult contemporary idioms.  The record is in the middle of the smooth-jazz national charts and climbing with a "bullet."  The "bullet" means that the record is significantly gaining momentum in both air play and in sales.   
Bob:  How long has the record been out?
Ron:  The "street date" (the date it was in the stores and available for purchase) was September 12th of this year.  Prior to that, however, the national smooth jazz stations had promo   singles and there was airplay before the record was released to the public.   The stations heard this promotional single, really liked the record and we had a promotion team contacting the stations about air play in advance of the release date.
Bob:  It appears that some of the key elements of this record being a hit has to do with the caliber of the artist (master musicianship, built-in fan base, previous success, etc...) and a properly executed promotion plan for the record (with advance exposure and a promotion team to contact radio stations).  What other factors contribute to this record's success?
Ron:  The record has to be, as we say, "in the groove."  It has be be done well, recorded well, performed well, produced well and have strong appeal to the market - to the type of person that will listen to and purchase this style of music in today's market.  You can spend a lot of money on the promotion and marketing of a record without getting back the return.  There have been cases of a million dollars being spend on this, just to have the record flop (so to speak).  You can also have a situation where an artist has a record that does well and just as much time, effort and money is put into promoting and marketing the next record with little result.  The bottom line is that you have to have something to promote "in the groove."  With an established artist there will be a certain number of fans that will buy anything that that artist puts out; but you need to, at some point, move beyond this fan bass and sell to new listeners and new fans.
Bob:  Also I noticed that there is also sort of a Urban Contemporary element to this record with guest artists appearing on the CD in the rap/hip-hop type vein.  Guest artists have appeared in recent time on established artist releases with much success.  The most dramatic success was the recent multi-platinum Santana CD put out by Arista Records.  Can you explain the thinking behind this approach?
Ron:  Forshe and Felecia from the group For You did some background work on the CD and Eloise Laws (Ronnie's Sister who also has a large following) plus a Broadway singer.  This tended to make the product have a broader and more current appeal.   He will also be touring next year joined by his sisters Eloise and Debra as well as his son(who also performed parts on the current CD with his father).  We will keep you informed regarding the cities and the schedule of the tour.
Bob:  Who Produced this record?
Ron:  Ronnie produced this record although I helped with one cut called "Old Days Old Ways."
Bob:  So what was your role on this record?
Ron:  I was the product manager.  I brought him into the company and got him signed.  I helped arrange some of the guest appearances (although he brought in a lot of guests himself).  I made sure that everyone working on it worked together to get this record produced, released, distributed and promoted properly.
Bob:  Tell me something about where it was cut and mixed and the format used.
Ron:  It was cut at various LA studios with Frank Clark the engineer at Mad Hatter and Private Island Tracks studios.  It was mixed at  Cherokee Studios with Dave Hindsly and personally mastered by Bernie Grudman off of quarter inch two track analog tape. 
Bob:  It is very interesting that it it was both cut on and mixed on analog tape.  Do you notice, like I do, that there's almost an analog resurgence in the industry today?
Ron:  Definitely - more and more of the top producers are insisting on the analog warmth in their product.
Bob:  I want to thank you for taking time out of your busy schedule to talk with us about this release and let the readers know that the CD is called "Dream A Little" by Ronnie Laws and that it is readily available at stores throughout the nation.

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